15 Responses to “ABOUT BIG BROTHER: City of Mississauga Corporate Security Report “Requests for Additional Information Security Incidents in City Facilities””

1. DeValera on July 12th, 2009 1:19 am

   Great body of work. May be easier for me to read as I have become versed in this stuff. Am sending your three questions overhead and you are welcome to post any response here.

2. The Mississauga Muse on July 12th, 2009 3:35 am

   These comments/questions were sent to mississauga_watch@ yahoo.com by DeValera  I reproduce them exactly right down to the italics and colours.

   Thanks DeValera for your kind words.

   You wrote:

   “Mississauga Muse, I post these questions here rather than the long comment on your website – but feel free to answer there.

   “FACT: Security’s primary role is to protect the assets/employees of the Corporation of the City of Mississauga and NOT serve the Public.
   FACT: The 2003 Mississauga Corporate Security Strategic Plan reveals that Mississauga Corporate Security sees the Public as something to “stave off”.”

   1) Aren’t these the same?

   Very perceptive of you! Yes,  primary role protecting assets/employees is indeeed the same as “staving off” the Public. After all, the best way to preserve infrastructure is not to use it! And (trust me) the Public is viewed by many City employees (including MissCorpSec) as a “nuisance”.   “nuisance”, that’s a direct quote, son.

   2) Where can I source the 2003 Mississauga Corporate Security Strategic Plan ?

   Actually I first heard about the 2003 Mississauga Corporate Security Strategic Plan in a silly February 2007  article in Canadian Security Magazine the featured City of Mississauga Corporate Security and even put the MissCorpSec Big Brother Bosses on the front cover! As is so typical of all things Mississauga, the actual article called, “Shattering the myth of corporate security ” was a terrific piece of fiction.

   Here’s the part you’re interested in, DeValera:

   “‘In 2003 the corporate security team, under Hillis, created a strategic plan. The focus was placed on the city’s number one asset — it’s employees.’The idea was always to try and make our organizational structure as flat as possible, so the only way to do that is to empower people and give them full responsibility,’ says Hillis.”

   So I file Freedom of Information requesting the 2003 Mississauga Corporate Security strategic plan and I get a “The City denies access”. Like WT-?  I email Mayor Hazel McCallion to ask why and HAHHAAHAAHAHAH…. here you go.

   From Hazel McCallion herself:

   Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:03:11 -0400
   From: “Hazel McCallion”
   To:  [EMAIL ADDRESS before I became MISSISSAUGAWATCH]
   Cc: “Brenda Breault” , “Carmen Corbasson” , “Carolyn Parrish” ,  ”Crystal Greer”,  ”Eve Adams”,  ”Frank Dale”,  ”George CARLSON”,  ”Janice Baker”,  ”Katie Mahoney”,  ”Maja Prentice” , “Mary Ellen Bench” , “Nando Iannicca”, “Pat Mullin”,  ”Pat Saito”,  ”Sue McFadden”
   Subject: April 16, 2007]
   
   April 16, 2007
   Our File: 07/030
   
   Dear Ms. :
   
   (etc etc… and then)

   You raised the concern that while it was stated in the Canadian Security Magazine article that a strategic plan was created in 2003 for the corporate security team, you were informed from your Freedom of Information request that the plan is still in draft form and is thus not to be disclosed. In reviewing this matter with staff, I can confirm that the creation of the plan did start in 2003 but it has yet to be completed and finalized. Perhaps there has been some misunderstanding in this aspect of the interview with the magazine.

   Canadian Security Magazine has Hillis trumpeting the success of the 2003 MissCorpSec Strategic Plan and then I have Hazel McCallion confirming that the City won’t let me have it because it’s only in draft and was never implemented. (“In reviewing this matter with staff”… and “Perhaps there has been some misunderstanding in this aspect of the interview” Hmmm.  MissCorpSec Staff explanation vs the magazine… “Who to believe.. who to believe…)

   I appealed to the Ontario Information and Privacy Commissioner and won. Was warned that I’d be surprised when I received the thing. That it wasn’t a plan at all but just some ambling thoughts that could be knocked off in a single day.  When I got the thing it was clear that the IPC guy was being charitable. No way someone worked a whole day on that.

   I have the thing here right now and would happily share it provided that it goes no further than you.  Why the limitation, DeValera? Same reason I didn’t give “Anthony” the MissCorpSec report “Requests for Additional Information Security Incidents in City Facilities” when he asked for it.  Sharing  either of those documents without my Freedom of Information colour commentary of what’s really going on at MissCorpSec is a disservice and grossly-misleading.

   I mean this Blog entry proves how much ““Requests for Additional Information Security Incidents in City Facilities” needed my Freedom of Information results to lampoon the dawg.

   I’d always planned to post the 2003 MissCorpSec Strategic Plan at here mississaugawatch.ca but you know me, I have yet to complete all my Freedom of Information homework on it.

   But a new timeline just might be forced on me.  I made a disturbing discovery just recently. I became aware that the City of Hamilton made reference to City of Mississauga’s Security Plan so I have to give them a head’s up into what’s really happening with it.  Am planning a letter of warning to Hamilton Council and Hamilton-based CATCH (Citizens AT City Hall)

   Back to you, DeValera:

   FACT: As of June 7, 2009 both the City of Brampton and Peel Region use private Bill 159 fully-compliant security guards from Primary Response.
   

   Fascinating given our role in Peel and shared “Safe Community” with Brampton.

   DeValera, there’s nothing “shared” among Mississauga, Brampton and Peel except Grade A bullshit. (Ask me how I know.)

   3) You mention “officers” a few times when talking to MCS – do they still refer to themselves that way after the memo pointing out that they should not?

   Um, DeValera, that memo was written in November 28, 2007!  Director of Facilities and Property Management (aka Director of MissCorpSec) was using “officer” when he was responding to me back at that June General Committee meeting. The guards even refer to themselves as “officers” in their Special Occurrence Narratives.
   The only thing I hate more than seeing “officer” out of Mississauga Corporate Security is reading ‘thank you for your interest in our dedicated team of security professionals”!

   You wrote:

   Given that even after we filed complaints with the Privacy Commissioner, Mississauga Corporate Security continues to violate Ontario’s “Guidelines for Using Video Surveillance Cameras in Public Places”

   4) If there are violations – which is the governing body to file a complaint with/to?

   Don’t bother. I already tried the IPC. They told me that they can only “work with the City”.  Can’t make them do stuff they don’t want to.

   Again. City of Mississauga Corporate Security are entirely unaccountable.  A law unto themselves. Poster Hellspawn for why we need the Ontario Ombudsman into the MUSH Sector. Beginning with Municipalities.  No way is Mississauga the only rogue municipal security operation.

   Speaking of ‘rogue”.  Finished the posting and analysis of the dozen sample Mississauga Civic Centre incidents relating to minors/youth.  I emphasize just a sample. Remember how I said that incidents are under-reported? November 15, 2007, MissCorpSec guards ban four minors (12/13 year old plus three 13/14′s) from all three faclities (Mississauga Civic Centre, Central Library and Living Arts Centre)  for “Skateboarding”  around vehicles.

   However the Mississauga Corporate Security database only records TWO bans for November 15, 2007.

   TRUST. QUALITY. EXCELLENCE.

   Do I have a pic for thi… AH!

   

3. The Mississauga Muse on July 12th, 2009 1:38 pm

   Oh and DeValera, regarding your question about what provincial agency might handle complaints about City of Mississauga Corporate Security.

   I forgot to mention that back in 2007 I even filed a complaint with the Ontario Ombudsman and OCCOPS!

   As we all know the Ontario Ombudsman understands (and then some). After all it was Andre Marin who wrote:

   “Big Brother has his hand firmly planted in our back pocket – government revenues his lifeline; unaccountability his refuge. Ontario is, shamefully, a “have-not” province in this regard. ”

   The Ontario Ombudsman just doesn’t have jurisdiction into the MUSH sector (Municipalities, Universities, Schools, Hospitals etc)

   My experiences and research into the MissCorpSec Big Brother’s “lifeline” budget of $2 million annually (February 2007 Canadian Security Magazine article on MissCorpSec} his “refuge” (infinite ways to hide from accountability  including exemptions in Freedom of Information ironically for “security” reasons) and as for “shamefully” what with my small sample of a dozen Special Occurrent Reports, “SHAMEFULLY” should be emblazoned down both sides of their 674, 675, 676 and677 RESPONSE UNITS in fluorescent orange.

   As for OCCOPS (Ontario Civilian Commission on Police Services)…

   The OCCOPS July 24, 2007 letter tells me that “It appears that the City of Mississauga is the most appropriate avenue for your concerns.”

   Today is July 12th.  In less than two weeks that OCCOPS letter will be two years old. And notice that evil word “appropriate”?

   And gosh the question I got to ask is did OCCOPS know about City of Mississauga Corporate Security and how the City of Mississauga’s doen’t handle complaints and sent me there anyway? Or…?

   Here’s that OCCOPS blow-off letter.

   

   Click here for larger version, DeValera.

   Get this. I blame Roy McMurtry and Alvin Curling and their Roots of Youth Violence $2,000,000 “research” that didn’t even file ONE Freedom of Information request.

   Andre Marin was right.

   “Big Brother has his hand firmly planted in our back pocket – government revenues his lifeline; unaccountability his refuge. Ontario is, shamefully, a “have-not” province in this regard. “

   That’s why I say that MUNICIPALITIES themselves and their deliberately-deceptive, callous, arrogant evil empire “Trust, Quality, Excellence” ways are a MAJOR ROOT OF YOUTH VIOLENCE

   

4. The Mississauga Muse on August 2nd, 2009 1:33 pm

   REGARDING VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, those interested in the Dufferin-Peel Board’s Video Surveillance Policy please “DUFFERIN-PEEL CATHOLIC DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD BOARD POLICY / REGULATIONS Subject: Video Security Surveillance Systems in Schools”. It reads well, covered all the bases and a reader only needs to get to the third paragraph to know that someone’s done their homework and checked out existing guidelines and relevant legislation. Good on Dufferin-Peel Board!

   This part:

   The Dufferin-Peel Catholic District School Board installs and maintains video security surveillance systems as outlined in the Information and Privacy Commissioner of Ontario’s “Guidelines for Using Video Surveillance Cameras in Schools” and as authorized by various Acts including the Education Act, the Safe School Act and the Municipal Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act.

   Pssst! Dufferin-Peel! Before entering into that”shared facilities” contract with City of Mississauga, did you take a look at their Video Surveillance Policy? And their other related policies? Ask me how I know you didn’t!

5. Marcelino DaCosta on September 3rd, 2009 10:50 am

   Hey,

   I would like to speak to you about BEHAVIOUR 2009

   The event made History in this city. I know because I’m the creator that sparked the manifestation and vision. Myself and a small team of organizers both inside and outside of the city walls executed the event with the assistance of other crediable artist outside and inside the city. “Behaviour”= choice of artist Lifestyle, nothing more, nothing less. The concept was made by artists and produced for artists and the general public.

   The event was Supported by My Mississauga and the office of arts and culture financially. THAT IS A HUGE step toward change in this city..

   For once somethng REAL happened here, somethng that has affected the inspiration of many along with the remembrance of true Hip-HOp and urban culture (peace love, unity, fun, cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY) and is the product of change on a grass roots community development level.

   Here in Mississauga representing from both outside the city and from within you had world class urban artist coming together, all paid to represent themselves and their passion to the general public. That is a huge step in supporting our artist community and for setting a true example for youth, if you have a passion and put your energy into something productive, you’ll go places.. it’s simple no hidden agendas or BS. It was proper considering everyone involed with running the event were positive examples of people who work hard for what they love to do and give back to the community first even though they have international success.

   So in stead of slandering something legit.. people should check themselves because real recgonize real.. and if you weren’t there, nor you or anyone can say anything to discredit or have anything remotely educated to express.

   The essence of Hip-Hop culture in display not just on stage but on the ground in the realist way possible.. back to the essence, something that most people don’t understand case they don’t bleed for a culture that is tainted by media and treated like poison. It was a very positive evening and proves what our culture is really about. ALL indie artists and clothing. all real content and no smoke or mirrors. when asked at the end of the event… “if you would like to see another one of these next year make some noise”.. the crowd of parents, children, artists and teenage youth roared so loud, Im sure Hazel could hear them from her bedroom rest.

   The bridges between True school artists, the policy makers, funding distributors is now one step closer.

   thanks to BEHAVIOUR and a vision.
   do I want a thanks? maybe that would help but I’d rather get respect and understanding while having the city, its critics, news, authorities and general public give their appreciation and love for the the artists that represented for a moment. A Moment that in several years down the road people will remember, well attached to an event that allowed underground artists with international reputations mixed withe common folk to be and example for positive choices in lifestyle… that’s true BEHAVIOUR.

   period
   peace

   FROST*
   GROUND iLLUSIONZ

   Eveyrone loves to talk about the problems
   no one is willing to get deep into the solutions. start with the foundation.

6. The Mississauga Muse on September 3rd, 2009 6:06 pm

   Hey there FROST

   First of all I can’t believe you’d write what you just did after reading all this about the bans, trespasses and arrests issued to youth and minors by the City of Mississauga’s Corporate Security guards! Unfrikkin’believeable but what can ya do…

   Regarding Behaviour you wrote:

   “Myself and a small team of organizers both inside and outside of the city walls executed the event with the assistance of other crediable artist outside and inside the city.

   That means Behaviour was a City of Mississauga approved event and immediately eliminates legitimate Hip Hop artists from participating.  City policy of “affiliates” allow only one City-approved message. POSITIVE.

   You wrote:

   “Behaviour”= choice of artist Lifestyle, nothing more, nothing less. The concept was made by artists and produced for artists and the general public.

   You failed to mention approved by the City of Mississauga’s “My Mississauga”.  Seriously. What do you know about the City of Mississauga and its treatment of people, let alone Hip Hop types?

   The event was Supported by My Mississauga and the office of arts and culture financially. THAT IS A HUGE step toward change in this city..

   As I said, the fact that it was supported and funded by the City of Mississauga means that Behaviour met the City’s approved criteria for advancing the City’s political agenda.  The agenda being seen as “embracing diversity” ie: reaching out to the youth Hip Hop scene. In the meantime, my own Freedom of Information research (as well as that of others) confirm that the City is “Zero Tolerant” as well as no-exceptions-highly-punitive of Youth and minors.

   You help the City’s public face. You help carry its banner of deceptive smile.

   You wrote:

   For once somethng REAL happened here, somethng that has affected the inspiration of many along with the remembrance of true Hip-HOp and urban culture (peace love, unity, fun, cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY) and is the product of change on a grass roots community development level.

   If the City of Mythissauga approved it, trust me, it wasn’t REAL. Mythissauga is about Illusion. Confirmed time after time with each new Freedom of Information we file or through direct observation documented through video. ILLUSION.

   You wrote:

   Here in Mississauga representing from both outside the city and from within you had world class urban artist coming together, all paid to represent themselves and their passion to the general public.

   “world class”? So why did the Mississauga News report that just over 100 people showed up that Saturday night?

   You wrote:

   “That is a huge step in supporting our artist community and for setting a true example for youth, if you have a passion and put your energy into something productive, you’ll go places.. it’s simple no hidden agendas or BS.”

   Sorry guy, Pure BS. I used to tell kids that too, that if “you have a passion and put your energy into something productive, you’ll go places”. I now know better. The reality is in today’s world if “you have a passion and put your energy into something productive, you’ll go places” —IF YOU CHOSE THE RIGHT PARENTS AT BIRTH, have connections  —or you’re prepared to be a Grade A+ sychophant. The City of Mississauga is perpetually receruting the latter.

   You wrote:

   So in stead of slandering something legit.. people should check themselves because real recgonize real.. and if you weren’t there, nor you or anyone can say anything to discredit or have anything remotely educated to express.

   Dude. re: “slander”… So. You read this Blog about the treatment of youth and minors by the City’s covert “Mississauga Youth Plan”, right? And then you phoned the City to verify the facts, right? See that’s something consistent with you ra ra Mississauga types. Call up the word “slander” so easily and fling it about in defence like an octopus squirts ink.

   What am I writing about the treatment of youth and minors by City of Mississauga Staff is TRUE.  And you don’t have the decency to be outraged. You claim to represent the Hip-Hop youth culture. I say that’s bull.

   Also, before you suggest that someone is slandering you might want to confirm for yourself the chasm between your Postive-Postive-Postive and the Shit-on-a-Stick Negative reality for far too many Mississauga kids is obscene!

   That’s right. I wasn’t there.But the Mississauga News was.

   Note the Mississauga News reports “Behaviour presented a world of music bands” and not “world class urban artist coming together” asd you claimed. (By the way, the City of Mississauga routinely heralds itself as “world class” and “state-of-the-art” and even “cutting edge” as it leads today for tomorrow.

   You wrote:

   The essence of Hip-Hop culture in display not just on stage but on the ground in the realist way possible.. back to the essence, something that most people don’t understand case they don’t bleed for a culture that is tainted by media and treated like poison.

   Repeat, the Hip-Hop culture on display and on stage was City of Mississauga APPROVED Hip-Hop culture.

   Here’s what Wikipedia says about Hip-Hop:

   “Hip hop is a cultural movement that developed in New York City in the 1970s primarily among Black Americans and Latino Americans. [1][2][3]. It was DJ Afrika Bambaataa that outlined the five pillars of hip-hop culture: MCing, DJing, breaking, graffiti writing, and knowledge.”

   and Hip-Hop music, referring to ^ Alridge D, Steward J. “Introduction: Hip Hop in History: Past, Present, and Future”, Journal of African American History 2005. pp.190 it states:

   Hip hop music was an outlet and a “voice” for disenfranchised youth[12], as the culture reflected the social, economic and political realities of their lives[13].

   [translation: Hip-hop is the music of the alienated and the thoroughly pissed off!]

   And from http://www.hiphop-history.org, there’s a repeat of the alienation theme. They state:

   “Golden age Hip Hop (1985-1993)is characterized by its diversity, quality, innovation and influence. There were strong themes of Afrocentricity and political militancy.”

   And again,  reference to graffiti.

   HIP HOP ART (Graffiti)

   Graffiti or Tagging is the spray-painting graffiti art usually having the stylized signature of the graffiti artist at the bottom and was mostly done on the walls.

   It got started in Philadelphia during the 1960s. And by 1970 the graffiti art was seen in New York. The graffiti art started moving from the streets to the subways and quickly became competitive.

   Clearly with everything City-approved and POSITIVE, you can be there was no alienation and political reality there Saturday night. Or, I suspect, the roster of City-unapproved Youth languishing forever on the City of Mississauga Corporate Security shitlist.

   You wrote:

   It was a very positive evening and proves what our culture is really about.

   Now I’m sure that it was a very positive evening (even if it wasn’t, that’d be the Party Line). “our culture”? If by that you mean Hip-Hop, you’re certainly not keeping true to the origins of the genre. But then again, the young of the Middle Class seem to pervert a lot of original movements and commercialize it.

   You wrote:

   ALL indie artists and clothing. all real content and no smoke or mirrors. when asked at the end of the event… “if you would like to see another one of these next year make some noise”.. the crowd of parents, children, artists and teenage youth roared so loud, Im sure Hazel could hear them from her bedroom rest.

   Quote from the MIssissauga News:

   “More than 100 people attended a jam session at Mississauga’s Central Library Square Saturday night that was all about exposing youth potential.”

   Question, how can they “roar” when there were just a bit more than 100 and that included parents, siblings and fellow performers?  Another question. Cost of the “My Mississauga” stage, the funding you got from the City, clean up afterward, add that all up. Now divide by 100. How much money does that come out to per person attending? (I’m not the first to ask that question.)

   By the way, the City of Mississauga ain’t about “exposing youth potential”. It’s about setting up a Corporate Culture for the comfort, convenience and above all the interests of its employees and sychophants.

   You wrote:

   The bridges between True school artists, the policy makers, funding distributors is now one step closer.

   A Freedom of Information result arrived two days ago that rpoves your statement to be both false and delusional. And for now, I’m forced to let it go at that.

   You claim there’s no smoke or mirrors. There’s a City-funded relentless progression of rarely anything but.

   You wrote:

   do I want a thanks? maybe that would help but I’d rather get respect and understanding while having the city, its critics, news, authorities and general public give their appreciation and love for the the artists that represented for a moment. A Moment that in several years down the road people will remember, well attached to an event that allowed underground artists with international reputations mixed withe common folk to be and example for positive choices in lifestyle… that’s true BEHAVIOUR.

   “underground artists”? Get real!

   An aside. I had a wonderful opportunity to spend an evening listening to the Emory Collegiate Band at the Canadian-Jamaican Association near Jane and Arrow road. Now THAT was real.  I felt the peace love, unity, fun, cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY in that assembly-room.  Above all, the talk was real. No one interrupting with a chirpy “Now let’s keep things positive…”

   You wrote that Hip-Hop is about “peace love, unity, fun, cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY”…

   So where does “F*** THA POLICE” fit in the Hip-Hop, peace, love thing? Bet no one was croonin’ that tune on Saturday’s “My Mississauga” stage.

   And do NOT go around claiming that cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY  is what the City of Mississauga is about. IT IS NOT! Mississauga is about wallets and property values! That’s how Mississaugans plant their “X”s on a ballot. They listen to their wallets. And that’s a Councillor admitting that.

   You wrote:

   period
   peace

   Ever heard of “NO PEACE NO JUSTICE”?

   NO PEACE, NO JUSTICE dude.

   You wrote:

   Eveyrone loves to talk about the problems
   no one is willing to get deep into the solutions. start with the foundation.

   You are either totally clueless or you’re just shilling for the City of Mississauga.

   You’re like the other Delusional who think our ills can be solved with a one-night music event, or a Saturday police-community Barb-be-que  or a series of them.

   I’m the one digging and getting deep into the solution, not you! You’re oblivous even to the Problem! (Frankly what you churned out here could’ve been written by their Communications POSITIVE POSITIVE POSITIVE Department.)

   The Problem is the policy-makers who funded you lieto the general public about how inclusive, welcoming and tolerant the City is (and them’s facts confirmed through Freedom of Information!). Worst of all politicans and bureaucrats use “trophy” youth (and often even “trophy” visible minorities) to speak “POSITIVE” for them.

   But whether trophy-youth or trophy-minority-rep, it’s all the same City manicured Noise of Illusion. Same Old White Guard’s agendas —concealed by politically-convenient “faces”.

   A challenge. I’ll be happy to meet you at City Hall in November. Your call. I’ll videotape us. You show me all the proof about how “no one is willing to get deep into the solutions. start with the foundation.” I’ll show you all my “get deep intos” and you show me yours.

   period
   NO PEACE, NO JUSTICE

7. Marcelino DaCosta on September 5th, 2009 7:00 pm

   Muse

   -I know about that BS with the city, it’s obvious they don’t know jack about what to do with themselves when it comes to youth, they’re afraid to cross the road with someone holding their hand.. building the living art centre and then not having it truly accessible to youth is a perfect example. I’m afraid I don’t rep the “city” and I don’t agree with what they do, I’m an ARTIST, legit member of our community that has been representing hard for the past 11 years nationally and internationally successfully underground.

   Behaviour was supported by the office of arts and culture because I used to work for the ARTs UNIT under Beth Gignac, I’m sure you know who she is, if you’re gonna talk big the way you do, then you best know. I was her employee and implemented “BBOY CULTURE” the first HIP-HOP cirriculum to be implemented through the city..(educating history and using dance a tool for learning life skills)

   you see I’m sure you know it’s about working from the INSIDE out.. which is what i do. so while you punk me all you want. I’m one of the realest Cats you’ll meet, in fact i could be one of your best allies because of my position. Since implementing my programs over 5 years ago.. ( a slow and gradual process, realness doesn’t happen over night )
   I’ve started 3 open practices spots, several camps, classes and taught hundreds of kids in our city (and across Canada), using MY culture as a community development tool. As a result Ground illusionz have revived since the disbandment in 2003 and are the ONLY BBOY crew in Mississauga to represent on the level we have been representing, performance, competitive and instructional. do some research about Ground illusionz and ask anyone who is a legit artist in the scene.

   you wrote:
   “You failed to mention approved by the City of Mississauga’s “My Mississauga”. Seriously. What do you know about the City of Mississauga and its treatment of people, let alone Hip Hop types?”

   -haha I know because my ass was getting kicked out of community centres and bus terminals since I was 16, I’m now 27. I know because I became an employee of parks and rec, I was employed by the ARTS UNIT and was the mind behind the WORD PROJECT in 2004. So i know very well what the deal is but I’m not a complainer full time, I’m an indie artist that pays for my own university education through my arts. I’m the first artist in our area (sauga and T.O.) to work for BluePrintForLife.ca social work through Hip-Hop (research this ) I work with some of the most at risk in the harshed conditions in our Country.. I’ve heard shit that will make you puke and seen beautiful that would turn your skin translucent. It’s Hip-Hop culture that is a VOICE for people (ALL people) not just poor folk. How can you even comment or comprehend, if you’re not even in the culture, you have no cred in my ground and no real experience.. are you a youth facilitator?

   the MY Mississauga and office of art and culture approved because they put trust in ME and knew that there would be no trouble at an event that would reach youth..
   and there was no trouble. Just realness.

   you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to Hip-Hop. Don’t step into the arena trying to talk about MY culture because you’re mad ignorant. Do you write burners or throwups? do you rep on concrete? can you spit on the mic? can you cut the wax? i doubt it.

   you like to quote BAM.. but have you actually met him and shared with him like I have? do you even know the ZULU NATION? have you been to NYC in Harlem and represented on the floor? have you been to rocksteady anniversary? have you even been in a raw circle? have you ever been to South Central LA and repped along the likes of “Style elements?” and represented at events like B-Boy summit? have you reached “Cypher north?” “style in Progress” “416″ have you ever been a national cypher champion? or won a Toronto style competition? I have. Have you ever performed over 300 shows into he past 10 years? won over 25 local UNDERGROUND battles. Have you ever been to Japan and repped along side world champions “Area Area crew?” do you know what it’s like to be on my platform. I doubt it.

   I’m a humble cat, trust.
   but in this moment I feel as though you’re ignorant toward my end completely, more so then I’m ignorant toward what you’re getting across… the difference is I have respect for what you’re doing and I’m glad someone is tryin to make people see what the “city” is up to…. that’s your job… my job is to empower youth and make opportunities working from inside and outside the fortress, ya dig?

   [Deleted because I didn't want the wrong eyeballs to read this.]

   what you don’t realize is the essence of what was displayed and as you know the news is misleading.. (Mississauga news was there for like only the first 30 mins.. that’s wack). You couldn’t experience what the people who were present experienced as the event ran into the night. Just like in the south Bronx when Kool Herc represented (energy from the polls) using the energy from the city to run a spot for the B-Boys, having a live band at the end for the final battle, amazing artist perform between the sets, having in open mic where people represented skills and mentality. no corp sponsors other than the city.

   you wrote
   “If the City of Mythissauga approved it, trust me, it wasn’t REAL. Mythissauga is about Illusion. Confirmed time after time with each new Freedom of Information we file or through direct observation documented through video. ILLUSION.”

   -They approved it, cause it’s me who threw it. I have credibility has a graduated facilitator with REAL experience as well as being raw street artist, with REAL SKILLS you couldn’t walk a mile in my shoes if you knew what i put into what i do. period…

   you wrote:
   “world class? So why did the Mississauga News report that just over 100 people showed up that Saturday night?”

   -Cause it was mostly word of mouth, Sauga doesn’t reach cause they don’t think there is a Hip-Hop scene still here, there is a also a generation gap that this jam has helped a little bit to close.

   Word is going round and there will be double next year if we do it again, it was a success. Toronto heads don’t reach sauga for jams, yet a quarter of the people were from there. It’s not about the quantity but rather the quality… if you know anything about community work you should know that, it’s 101.

   -”416, “Style and Progress” or even “Manifesto” didn’t start out with many.. that’s beside the point.
   You’re right even the photo they used on the sauga news wasn’t even good>it was like the first 10 mins of the event with people just starting to gather.
   they could have showed the crowd around the cypher, all the kids and people vibing on YES INTERNATIONAL caliber artists like BOOGIE BRATS, BAG OF TRIX, SLAKAH THE BEAT CHILD, J TEC TURNTABLE MONKS, MINDBENDER, F.A.M., Ground illusionz. If you know so much, you’ll know how much clout these artists have I’ll let you do the research on that.

   you wrote:
   “Sorry guy, Pure BS. I used to tell kids that too, that if “you have a passion and put your energy into something productive, you’ll go places”. I now know better. The reality is in today’s world if “you have a passion and put your energy into something productive, you’ll go places” —IF YOU CHOSE THE RIGHT PARENTS AT BIRTH, have connections —or you’re prepared to be a Grade A+ sychophant. The City of Mississauga is perpetually receruting the latter.”

   Yeah i read it and great it is what you’re doing. so I’m disappointed to read that you’re dissing something you don’t even know about.. you thought it was the “city” throwing the jam, you thought the meaning was totally what it was not. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST you were NOT THERE TO EXPERIENCE..
   too bad you already lost cause you didn’t see for yourself.

   i don’t care, in this situation it’s empirical you had to see it to believe it, I agree with you on the treatment of our youth, it’s wacker then ever and that 9 year old girl was a good example. it’s been like that for years..

   but when the city approves even an event like this and you have all the elements that it had; you would see it’s a breath of fresh air.

   and hell yeah I’m outraged, I’ve been one of them since time, so watch your mouth respectfully cause I still remember what it’s like to get kicked out of places time and time again for representing myself and what i love.

   you can say it’s bull but I could laugh in your face along side countless YOUTH all over our country if they heard you saying that to me. but ACTIONS SPEAK LOUD THEN WORDS RIGHT? this is me taking action..

   ..and yeah, mad kids in the place to be have it difficult, they can’t even walk around without po-po in their face and they’re living tough for more then just one reason. Take the kids that CADC works with over at peel youth village, I was hoping to see more of those kids at Behaviour as well, 2 of my kids directly involved were from there and are making productive choices in their lives. UNITY CHARITY also doing big things was involved heavy as well. research them too. you can’t talk wack about them either.

   you lost the argument before you started cause you weren’t there, I’ll mention it again. accept it.

   you wrote:
   “Note the Mississauga News reports “Behaviour presented a world of music bands” and not “world class urban artist coming together” asd you claimed.”

   the news?? you say all of this talk but how can the news really know what’s up of they even stay?
   the Mississauga news DID NOT even speak with the organizers or get their heads out of their asses to even interview or mention any of the artists other then the first one let alone organizers: SLAKHA THE BEAT CHILD. signed to J Dilla’s label and blowing up in touring in europe with videos on MTV, MUCH, BET. …BOOGIE BRATS one of the most legendary crews in the history of the world, originally from brampton and toronto.. not to mention Bag of TRIX UK world champs in 99′ or turntable monks… did I mention FAM and GI got invited to Korea, China and JAPAN to represent last year and actually had members who won certain battles? not international eh? then why did Supernaturalz come down to support? they’re just world champions winning 3 world titles in the past year. Turntable monks too…. I guess you’ve never heard of DOPEY or J TEC? they’re world champions on the wheels of steel.
   sauga news doesn’t know shit about that…. and never will cause they don’t go deep.. please don’t tell me you believe everything on the news… that’s an elementary beef that contradicts your argument.

   you wrote:
   “Dude. re: “slander”… So. You read this Blog about the treatment of youth and minors by the City’s covert “Mississauga Youth Plan”, right? And then you phoned the City to verify the facts, right? See that’s something consistent with you ra ra Mississauga types. Call up the word “slander” so easily and fling it about in defence like an octopus squirts ink. What am I writing about the treatment of youth and minors by City of Mississauga Staff is TRUE. And you don’t have the decency to be outraged. You claim to represent the Hip-Hop youth culture. I say that’s bull. Also, before you suggest that someone is slandering you might want to confirm for yourself the chasm between your Postive-Postive-Postive and the Shit-on-a-Stick Negative reality for far too many Mississauga kids is obscene!”

   -yeah slander: meaning untrue.

   cause you were not there and you didn’t know the facts about WHO threw the jam and for what reason. Then you started talking shit that is untrue. so I’m here to educate you and you’re here to educate me. take it

   you wrote:
   “Now I’m sure that it was a very positive evening (even if it wasn’t, that’d be the Party Line). “our culture”? If by that you mean Hip-Hop, you’re certainly not keeping true to the origins of the genre. But then again, the young of the Middle Class seem to pervert a lot of original movements and commercialize it.”

   -Please…don’t try and school me on MY culture… There is a difference between a civilian reading a book about making planes and actually being a mechanic/pilot who learnt from OG actually flying his own planes’s”

   I LIVE MY CULTURE EVRY DAY and I have the mentality, skills, scars, experience, miles, networks, connections, reputation and resume to prove it.

   again you weren’t there to witness SKAM and SLON who have international cred as Painters representing crews HSA and BGK known from here to NYC to RUSSIA… heard of them? NOPE it’s too real for ya.

   You weren’t there to see the live performances having people from the crowd on stage contributing to the event and performances having the B-Boy battles on the ground (AS THEY SHOULD BE) in raw cyphers… you didn’t get to see Frank boogie or Tony Three (the only “Electric boogaloos”‘ representitives in Canada) do a very rare performance, (“frost we never come out to do shows any more, we’re only here cause of you throwing this jam and what you represent to the community, you’re keeping sauga on the map”) .

   You didn’t See FAM and GI battle in the finals, that was classic world class B-Boying. you didn’t get to see “Crazysmooth” from Canadian Floor Masters in ottawa, (the only Canadian BBoy to be part of Breaks Kru and Dynasty Rockers NYC, King of NEW YORK champ 2006) the only bloodline to carry on the “rockdance style” in Canada. He’s the realness and had a lot of positive things to say about the event , he’s not BS he doesn’t waste his time on BS. http://www.bboyizm.ca.

   You didn’t hear the open mic with youth come up and spit spoken-word about their issues of violence, racism, discrimination, rape, poverty, joy, self respect, confidence, dignity, hope and future dreams.

   Every artist was part of a team sharing a like mentality, to build relationships with the audience and share what their “Behaviour” was (why they are inspired, and how art is their lifestyle)

   why didn’t news talk about all of that??????
   THAT’s the real Bullshit.. don’t tell me you’re gonna judge my jam on some wack reporters NOT DOING THEIR JOB PROPER.. I would expect more from what i know of you so far.

   you wrote:
   “Question, how can they “roar” when there were just a bit more than 100 and that included parents, siblings and fellow performers? Another question. Cost of the “My Mississauga” stage, the funding you got from the City, clean up afterward, add that all up. Now divide by 100. How much money does that come out to per person attending? (I’m not the first to ask that question.)”

   -How can they roar? you obviously havent been to a real Hip-Hop event. they yelled their loudest and were satisfied, what’s what counts.

   the Jam was FREE for the public, as it was meant to be for the community and being a professional artist myself, I made sure every artist proposed to the city got paid proper for what they do. Especially the B-Boys/Bgirls. They all got PAID to Battle instead of the other way around. which is more real then you’ll ever know… you don’t know the first thing about being one of us, always on the bottom of the ladder. That was history for my community as well. You didn’t hear “LAST of a DYING breed” play “Coin”.. a tribute to those who’ve been killed by gun violence

   [Deleted because I didn't want the wrong eyeballs to read this.]

   you wrote:
   “underground artists”? Get real!”

   -I’m already real that’s why i had the balls to do this jam and get the artists I did. After your research on these artists and you see the video that’ll be produced then you’ll know what up.

   Emory Collegiate Band I’m sure it was dope soul music. You should have heard “Vibrasonic” play “24 karat black” as the music for the final battle …. nuff said, do some more research on that one.

   my jam wasn’t contrive with people talking shit about “lets keep things positive”. What was positive was the vibe and sharing between everyone there, quality performers, skills and reactions. My jam was arranged to be a platform and a moment where we could all see OUR culture manifest organically, with real DJ’s real Writers, real B-Boys, real performers and keeping things peace and not cheesy.

   YOU WROTE:

   “So where does “F*** THA POLICE” fit in the Hip-Hop, peace, love thing? Bet no one was croonin’ that tune on Saturday’s “My Mississauga” stage.”

   -your comment is ignorant and it proves you don’t know jack about my scene. There were kids there, I’m not gonna talk shit on the mic, why would people need to croon that if in the moment there is peace… why would I go and start dissing someone at his funeral? there is a time and place for everything, you’re an adult and you should know that.

   you think that’s all we talk about it? that’s ignorant, of you. DO your history like forrreal..not off the net,, actually find OG’s and ask them.. you’re not even a hip-hop head, you’re stereotyping and I don’t appreciate that.

   I think the message of the event was clear: get skills, make links, be productive, have fun, open your mind, strive to be aware, stay student minded and push yourself to the next level. Hip-Hop represents all of these things.. and from actually talking to people who lived in the south bronx 70′s (Chino, Trak 2 from Starschild le Rock, Fabel, AFrika Bam, DJ DXT, Frosty Freeze RIP ) they told me it’s what Hip-hop gave to them and what it has evolved into.

   you wrote:
   “And do NOT go around claiming that cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY is what the City of Mississauga is about. IT IS NOT! Mississauga is about wallets and property values!
   That’s how Mississaugans plant their “X”s on a ballot. They listen to their wallets. And that’s a Councillor admitting that.”

   -I’m not around claiming that cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY is what the City of Mississauga is about.
   I’m saying it’s people that make up communities and not everyone is wack. It’s not only the bureaucrats that have power. I represent my community within the city, a community of people who exist outside of the media and have gained from living their lifestyle as artists, These people are giving back to the community in the ways we know how to.

   bottom line is you can’t talk, cause you weren’t there.

   you wrote:
   “You are either totally clueless or you’re just shilling for the City of Mississauga.”

   -yeah I guess I’m clueless, I’ve looked for many ways to affect change and I’m using what power I have to bring people together… I guess that’s wack right? and guess I’m shilling for the city, cause I love the people in it.

   I’m delusional cause I’ve been at it for 5 years and I slowly see some progress in my community directly so I guess i should stop now right?

   you wrote:
   “I’m the one digging and getting deep into the solution, not you! You’re oblivous even to the Problem! (Frankly what you churned out here could’ve been written by their Communications POSITIVE POSITIVE POSITIVE Department.)”

   -The fact that you’re not inclusive to those who are on a street level making movements with some type of power already makes YOU PART OF THE PROBLEM my dear.

   [Deleted because I didn't want the wrong eyeballs to read this.]

   war is not the answer, education, leading by example and growing power in numbers is… if this is a war then it is building allies for those with commonality that matters. I’m not your enemy but you speak to me like you want some… go ahead and write in your blog.

   Trying to diss my culture and using a lousey attempt to try and educate me on my own lifestyle and culture I bleed for. Gimme a break, YOU AIN’T even a head…therefore you’re the one who’s acting delusional.

   you wrote:
   “A challenge. I’ll be happy to meet you at City Hall in November. Your call. I’ll videotape us. You show me all the proof about how “no one is willing to get deep into the solutions. start with the foundation.” I’ll show you all my “get deep intos” and you show me yours.”

   -DEPENDS on the date, CHANCES ARE I’LL BE IN THE NUNAVUT DURING NOVEMBER DOING SOME REAL WORK with Blueprintforlife.ca

   If you wanna see me, then reach my sessions, or my classes. Meet with my Crew Ground illusionz, How come you don’t know my crew, we’ve been around for 10 years in sauga. I’d love to show you some of my work. It’s through real people, too bad you missed the jam .. judging from your arguments you probably would have liked it and agreed on its authenticity

   reach the Mississauga arts awards Oct 15th and you’ll see what up.

   PEACE!

8. Anonymous on September 5th, 2009 8:51 pm

   With all due respect, whoever you are, you clearly don’t know what hip hop REALLY is about. and your post above proves it. However, I am glad you took the time to do a bit of research…but Frost has been living Hip hop for over 10 years. So i think 10 years experiance > research.

   Peace. Respect.

9. The Mississauga Muse on September 6th, 2009 1:25 am

   Hi Frost,

   You wrote:

   -I know about that BS with the city, it’s obvious they don’t know jack about what to do with themselves when it comes to youth, they’re afraid to cross the road with someone holding their hand.. building the living art centre and then not having it truly accessible to youth is a perfect example. I’m afraid I don’t rep the “city” and I don’t agree with what they do, I’m an ARTIST, legit member of our community that has been representing hard for the past 11 years nationally and internationally successfully underground.

   WHOA WHOA WHOA! That’s it. I was wrong about you. You’re REAL and then some! I apologize! I don’t really have to say more but considering that you cared so much to take the time to write all that you did, it would be a huge shame if I didn’t work with your ideas further.

   So let’s go on this. With the understanding that we BOTH get it —just coming at things from very different angles.

   You wrote:

   Behaviour was supported by the office of arts and culture because I used to work for the ARTs UNIT under Beth Gignac, I’m sure you know who she is, if you’re gonna talk big the way you do, then you best know. I was her employee and implemented “BBOY CULTURE” the first HIP-HOP cirriculum to be implemented through the city..(educating history and using dance a tool for learning life skills)

   No, don’t know who Beth Gignac is. Wasn’t that long ago that I knew zip about Hip Hop except what one self-described street youth told me. In my defense I listened hard and genuine.

   You wrote:

   you see I’m sure you know it’s about working from the INSIDE out.. which is what i do. so while you punk me all you want. I’m one of the realest Cats you’ll meet, in fact i could be one of your best allies because of my position. Since implementing my programs over 5 years ago.. ( a slow and gradual process, realness doesn’t happen over night )

   Well then, believe me I’m real too –a white broad who’s less than a month away from her 60th birthday.

   And trust me, because of the Enemy I am fighting, I need all the allies that I can get. One thing though, and I don’t want to discourage you, but City of Mississauga doesn’t do Real. You can’t have Real for youth when you place the interests and comfort of your employees above those of youth/minors. (that’s not allegation, that’s fact, Frost.)

   You wrote:

   I’ve started 3 open practices spots, several camps, classes and taught hundreds of kids in our city (and across Canada), using MY culture as a community development tool. As a result Ground illusionz have revived since the disbandment in 2003 and are the ONLY BBOY crew in Mississauga to represent on the level we have been representing, performance, competitive and instructional. do some research about Ground illusionz and ask anyone who is a legit artist in the scene.

   Actually I did the other day, via YouTube. Watched several videos in fact. Kids looked to be having a terrific time. You have to forgive me. I’m not comfortable seeing youth on City of Mississauga property. City staff are NOT nice people and I regard them as toxic to the youth who need drop-in programs the most.

   Frost, I asked you, “What do you know about the City of Mississauga and its treatment of people, let alone Hip Hop types?” And you answered:

   -haha I know because my ass was getting kicked out of community centres and bus terminals since I was 16, I’m now 27. I know because I became an employee of parks and rec,

   Then you know about the covert “Mississauga Youth Plan” by City staff and guards.. (You’re lucky you just got your ass kicked out and you stayed away from City property and terminals during your ban. Other youth and minors didn’t. They get arrested. NO EXCEPTIONS. And at 16? You’re a late bloomer, guy. Those guards ban kids as young as 9/10! And I’m talking just last year when the politicos were all trumpeting how Youth-friendly the City is!)

   You wrote:

   I was employed by the ARTS UNIT and was the mind behind the WORD PROJECT in 2004. So i know very well what the deal is but I’m not a complainer full time, I’m an indie artist that pays for my own university education through my arts. I’m the first artist in our area (sauga and T.O.) to work for BluePrintForLife.ca social work through Hip-Hop (research this ) I work with some of the most at risk in the harshed conditions in our Country.. I’ve heard shit that will make you puke and seen beautiful that would turn your skin translucent. It’s Hip-Hop culture that is a VOICE for people (ALL people) not just poor folk. How can you even comment or comprehend, if you’re not even in the culture, you have no cred in my ground and no real experience.. are you a youth facilitator?

   My experience is being targeted by City of Mississauga Security and their “bedside manner”. That led me to wonder what they do to kids. That led to filing over $2,000 of Freedom of Information just on their conduct and operations alone. So friend, I’ve SEEN their security shit that would make you puke. Because I’m white, female, affluent, a month shy of my 60th birthday and now packing $2,000 worth of City documents and emails I got lots of defense.

   But there are a whole lot of their “perps” and “riff-raff” who can’t fight back. That’s what I meant by we’re on the same team but coming from very different backgrounds.

   You wrote:

   the MY Mississauga and office of art and culture approved because they put trust in ME and knew that there would be no trouble at an event that would reach youth.. and there was no trouble. Just realness.

   You writing what you did and experiencing what you did is good enough for me. I accept you saying it was real at your word.

   You wrote:

   you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to Hip-Hop. Don’t step into the arena trying to talk about MY culture because you’re mad ignorant. Do you write burners or throwups? do you rep on concrete? can you spit on the mic? can you cut the wax? i doubt it.

   Are you saying that for someone to appreciate Hip Hop, or Jazz or Rock, they have to be able to perform? That’d be like someone sayin’ you have no idea about hockey unless you wear a jock strap, shoot a puck and can cross check. It wasn’t that long ago where I associated Hip Hop exclusively with drugs and drive-by shootings like most ignorant people. So give me a break.

   You wrote:

   you like to quote BAM.. but have you actually met him and shared with him like I have? do you even know the ZULU NATION? have you been to NYC in Harlem and represented on the floor? have you been to rocksteady anniversary? have you even been in a raw circle? have you ever been to South Central LA and repped along the likes of “Style elements?” and represented at events like B-Boy summit? have you reached “Cypher north?” “style in Progress” “416″ have you ever been a national cypher champion? or won a Toronto style competition? I have. Have you ever performed over 300 shows into he past 10 years? won over 25 local UNDERGROUND battles. Have you ever been to Japan and repped along side world champions “Area Area crew?” do you know what it’s like to be on my platform. I doubt it.

   You have me smiling. That’s quite the resume! I mean for someone who’s 27… and, you wouldn’t want to see a white, one-month away from her 60th birthday try anything like that.

   You wrote:

   I’m a humble cat, trust.

   but in this moment I feel as though you’re ignorant toward my end completely, more so then I’m ignorant toward what you’re getting across… the difference is I have respect for what you’re doing and I’m glad someone is tryin to make people see what the “city” is up to…. that’s your job… my job is to empower youth and make opportunities working from inside and outside the fortress, ya dig?

   Yeah. Yes, I do. Not just dig, but see something more. I see that you see. And trust me, I now see that you’re REAL. Frost, UNREAL/BOGUS is why so many Youth don’t —forget it, why am I telling you? You know!

   Note, I don’t normally edit but there’s stuff I just deleted because I didn’t want the wrong people to read it. Now back to you:

   what you don’t realize is the essence of what was displayed and as you know the news is misleading.. (Mississauga news was there for like only the first 30 mins.. that’s wack). You couldn’t experience what the people who were present experienced as the event ran into the night. Just like in the south Bronx when Kool Herc represented (energy from the polls) using the energy from the city to run a spot for the B-Boys, having a live band at the end for the final battle, amazing artist perform between the sets, having in open mic where people represented skills and mentality. no corp sponsors other than the city.

   *BLUSH* It wouldn’t be the first time that Mississauga News missed the… never mind….

   You wrote

   -They approved it, cause it’s me who threw it. I have credibility has a graduated facilitator with REAL experience as well as being raw street artist, with REAL SKILLS you couldn’t walk a mile in my shoes if you knew what i put into what i do. period…

   Again, I apologize. But allow me this. If you were to walk a mile in my shoes (what I know and have seen) you’d understand why ANYone hired/approved by the City of Mississauga is immediately suspect. Just please grant me that. If you know what I know, you’d be as chronically suspicious and cynical too. I believe all at-risk youth programs should be run out of schools and away from City properties. THAT’s how bad it is.

   Regarding my shit-for-brains slam about “world-class” you wrote:

   Word is going round and there will be double next year if we do it again, it was a success. Toronto heads don’t reach sauga for jams, yet a quarter of the people were from there. It’s not about the quantity but rather the quality… if you know anything about community work you should know that, it’s 101.

   I feel that way about the people who read this Blog. (Frankly I’d be happy with just two readers. The Ontario Ombudsman and the Information and Privacy Commissioner). Absolutely right. Quality not quantity.

   You wrote:

   -”416, “Style and Progress” or even “Manifesto” didn’t start out with many.. that’s beside the point.
   You’re right even the photo they used on the sauga news wasn’t even good>it was like the first 10 mins of the event with people just starting to gather.
   they could have showed the crowd around the cypher, all the kids and people vibing on YES INTERNATIONAL caliber artists like BOOGIE BRATS, BAG OF TRIX, SLAKAH THE BEAT CHILD, J TEC TURNTABLE MONKS, MINDBENDER, F.A.M., Ground illusionz. If you know so much, you’ll know how much clout these artists have I’ll let you do the research on that.

   HAHAHAHA. Now I get it! You’re a victim of the Mississauga News! (B’in there. Done that. You should’ve seen how they weed-whacked my last Letter to the Editor) My sympathies…

   You wrote:

   Yeah i read it and great it is what you’re doing. so I’m disappointed to read that you’re dissing something you don’t even know about.. you thought it was the “city” throwing the jam, you thought the meaning was totally what it was not. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST you were NOT THERE TO EXPERIENCE..
   too bad you already lost cause you didn’t see for yourself.

   Look. You want find anyone more voracious about needing to know! I’ve been DUPED FOR DECADES into believing our governments cared for those less fortunate. You know how stupid I was? I believed that there is good and bad in people and that it is the role of government to ensure that the good prevail. I even told four senior City of Mississauga Staffers those exact words and I got silence. At the time I assumed they agreed with me. Nope. In retrospect that silence was surely them dumbfounded to meet anyone that oblivious.

   You wrote:

   i don’t care, in this situation it’s empirical you had to see it to believe it, I agree with you on the treatment of our youth, it’s wacker then ever and that 9 year old girl was a good example. it’s been like that for years..

   Well You have a job to do then. Because frankly I can’t see a way to make this City inclusive. Unless a whole pile of people are fired and drop-kicked from the Clock Tower. And I’m serious.

   You wrote:

   and hell yeah I’m outraged, I’ve been one of them since time, so watch your mouth respectfully cause I still remember what it’s like to get kicked out of places time and time again for representing myself and what i love.

   You’re outraged?! I’m the one who has the actual Security database printouts showing the ages of kids banned, duration of bans and extent of bans. That’s bad enough but then I’ve been listening and watching these hypocrites brag about how so many other municipalities in Canada see them as cutting edge and leading in youth programs and anti-violence iniatiatives.

   That kind of LYING, Frost makes these kids victims TWICE! And you know something else? How’d you like to see a Malton Community Centre Staff email referring to “riff-raff” or something called the Malton Blitz? I could tell you other stuff about the “Mississauga Youth Plan” —but not here.

   You wrote:

   you can say it’s bull but I could laugh in your face along side countless YOUTH all over our country if they heard you saying that to me. but ACTIONS SPEAK LOUD THEN WORDS RIGHT? this is me taking action..

   Absolutely. I’ve been audio and video-recording City of Mississauga Council’s shitload of words since June 2006. A remiinder that there’s also INACTION that speaks louder than words. I know that you know what I mean by that.

   You wrote:

   ..and yeah, mad kids in the place to be have it difficult, they can’t even walk around without po-po in their face and they’re living tough for more then just one reason. Take the kids that CADC works with over at peel youth village, I was hoping to see more of those kids at Behaviour as well, 2 of my kids directly involved were from there and are making productive choices in their lives. UNITY CHARITY also doing big things was involved heavy as well. research them too. you can’t talk wack about them either.

   Actually right now, I’ve been advised that I need to refocus. Just so you know. My primary goal is researching the relationship (treatment) of youth/minors by mainstream municipal “organizations”. I’d be interested in which agencies you find most effective in helping Youth. You know, rather than just claiming to help Youth and spinning wheels as well as spinning the media?…

   You wrote:

   you lost the argument before you started cause you weren’t there, I’ll mention it again. accept it.

   So when’s the next one?

   You wrote:

   the Mississauga news DID NOT even speak with the organizers or get their heads out of their asses to even interview or mention any of the artists other then the first one let alone organizers:

   Yep. That’s the Mississauga News I’ve grown to love. Get this. I’ve been obseving City of Mississauga Council since June 2006, filed $3,000 in Freedom of Information in Ajax, Brampton, Mississauga, Kingston, Toronto etc etc) know just about every guideline and policy but have they ever interviewed me and ask my opinion on an issue? Nope. And Cable 10 avoids me even more. They refuse to even answer emails.

   You wrote:

   SLAKHA THE BEAT CHILD. signed to J Dilla’s label and blowing up in touring in europe with videos on MTV, MUCH, BET. …BOOGIE BRATS one of the most legendary crews in the history of the world, originally from brampton and toronto.. not to mention Bag of TRIX UK world champs in 99′ or turntable monks… did I mention FAM and GI got invited to Korea, China and JAPAN to represent last year and actually had members who won certain battles? not international eh? then why did Supernaturalz come down to support? they’re just world champions winning 3 world titles in the past year. Turntable monks too…. I guess you’ve never heard of DOPEY or J TEC? they’re world champions on the wheels of steel.

   You wrote:

   sauga news doesn’t know shit about that…. and never will cause they don’t go deep.. please don’t tell me you believe everything on the news… that’s an elementary beef that contradicts your argument.

   You really got me there, friend. There’s no defending that… Get this. I took to Blogging and filing Freedom of Information because I was SICK OF THE BULLSHIT LIES funnelled from City mouthpieces directly to the public by Traditional Media. The only stuff I believe now I have to see with my own eyeballs coming out of an envelope that’s got “Freedom of Information” at the top.

   You wrote:

   -yeah slander: meaning untrue.

   cause you were not there and you didn’t know the facts about WHO threw the jam and for what reason. Then you started talking shit that is untrue. so I’m here to educate you and you’re here to educate me. take it

   You just really proved something. About how vital REAL is. Do you know that if we were at that silly City of Mississauga Community Visioning Charette and got into this argument, a “facilitator” would stop us? Yeah. Stop us. And coach us to a more “productive” and “positive” path. And we’d both be forced to talk about how wonderful the City is addressing the need for potted plants around the perimeter of the Civic Centre or something.

   You’ve been real. You’ve experienced getting kicked out of community centres and transit. You know what the kids face. You know the bullshit. And you’re REAL because there’s no sugar-coat to you. You educated me.

   Now it’s my turn. City of Mississauga Staff are UNACCOUNTABLE, Frost. As in “unable to be taken into account”. Free to boast about the wonderful job they’ve done with youth. They’re free to posture about “the goals of the policy are to stress accountability” and there’s none for staff. Not even any oversight. And it isn’t just Mississauga. It seems a pathology in many Ontario municipalties.

   I believe that our local governments are a root of Youth Violence. I really do.

   You wrote:

   -Please…don’t try and school me on MY culture… There is a difference between a civilian reading a book about making planes and actually being a mechanic/pilot who learnt from OG actually flying his own planes’s”

   To be clear, I didn’t even read a book. Although to my credit I do watch a lot of YouTube Hip Hop stuff created in Mississauga and Brampton…

   You wrote:

   I LIVE MY CULTURE EVRY DAY and I have the mentality, skills, scars, experience, miles, networks, connections, reputation and resume to prove it.

   Well, you’re miles ahead of me. I’m not sure that I have a culture…

   You wrote:

   again you weren’t there to witness SKAM and SLON who have international cred as Painters representing crews HSA and BGK known from here to NYC to RUSSIA… heard of them? NOPE it’s too real for ya.

   Again, when’s the next one. I’d love to be there and videotape.

   You wrote:

   You weren’t there to see the live performances having people from the crowd on stage contributing to the event and performances having the B-Boy battles on the ground (AS THEY SHOULD BE) in raw cyphers… you didn’t get to see Frank boogie or Tony Three (the only “Electric boogaloos”‘ representitives in Canada) do a very rare performance, (”frost we never come out to do shows any more, we’re only here cause of you throwing this jam and what you represent to the community, you’re keeping sauga on the map”) .

   I’ve a lot to learn…

   You didn’t See FAM and GI battle in the finals, that was classic world class B-Boying. you didn’t get to see “Crazysmooth” from Canadian Floor Masters in ottawa, (the only Canadian BBoy to be part of Breaks Kru and Dynasty Rockers NYC, King of NEW YORK champ 2006) the only bloodline to carry on the “rockdance style” in Canada. He’s the realness and had a lot of positive things to say about the event , he’s not BS he doesn’t waste his time on BS. http://www.bboyizm.ca” href=”http://www.bboyizm.ca” rel=”nofollow”>http://www.bboyizm.ca.

   Just so you know, I barely understand you at this point. However, I’m sure Youth will follow you and that’s what’s important.

   You wrote:

   You didn’t hear the open mic with youth come up and spit spoken-word about their issues of violence, racism, discrimination, rape, poverty, joy, self respect, confidence, dignity, hope and future dreams.

   I hope you videotaped that!

   You wrote:

   why didn’t news talk about all of that??????

   THAT’s the real Bullshit.. don’t tell me you’re gonna judge my jam on some wack reporters NOT DOING THEIR JOB PROPER.. I would expect more from what i know of you so far.

   OK. So I’m was an @$$HOLE! (like you’ve never been?). Again. It’s because of my $2,000 worth of Freedom of Information City of Mississauga emails and documents showing how youth-toxic they are. We’re talking about people who’ll smile all the way through a youth concert and once over, be only too happy to ban kids who were part of the audience for “Loitering” a half hour later.

   You wrote:

   the Jam was FREE for the public, as it was meant to be for the community and being a professional artist myself, I made sure every artist proposed to the city got paid proper for what they do. Especially the B-Boys/Bgirls. They all got PAID to Battle instead of the other way around. which is more real then you’ll ever know… you don’t know the first thing about being one of us, always on the bottom of the ladder. That was history for my community as well. You didn’t hear “LAST of a DYING breed” play “Coin”.. a tribute to those who’ve been killed by gun violence.

   You wrote, “you don’t know the first thing about being one of us, always on the bottom of the ladder.” Exactly! But I do know this. It’s people at the bottom of the ladder who can’t fight back when they’ve been ****d up the *** by their public institutions. They get treated like shit. They get lied to. And the biggest lie is “we care and are commiting our best efforts”.

   Note, I had to delete some of the stuff you wrote again because I prefer it tucked away from certain eyeballs.

   You wrote:

   -I’m already real that’s why i had the balls to do this jam and get the artists I did. After your research on these artists and you see the video that’ll be produced then you’ll know what up.

   That would be GREAT!

   Emory Collegiate Band I’m sure it was dope soul music. You should have heard “Vibrasonic” play “24 karat black” as the music for the final battle …. nuff said, do some more research on that one.

   No, not at all. Wonderful message. Songs of light. Emory Collegiate Band was terrific.

   You wrote:

   my jam wasn’t contrive with people talking shit about “lets keep things positive”. What was positive was the vibe and sharing between everyone there, quality performers, skills and reactions. My jam was arranged to be a platform and a moment where we could all see OUR culture manifest organically, with real DJ’s real Writers, real B-Boys, real performers and keeping things peace and not cheesy.

   If you ever want to do a Blog on this… I’d be happy to share this space. Because I have a message for Youth and I can’t reach them.

   THEY NEED TO GET SMART AND FIELD THEIR OWN CANDIDATES FOR ELECTIONS!! AND THEN VOTE! (Because the Mayor they got now and those eleven Councillors? Don’t give beyond a token shit.)

   About me mentioning the song “F*** THE POLICE”, you wrote:

   -your comment is ignorant and it proves you don’t know jack about my scene. There were kids there, I’m not gonna talk shit on the mic, why would people need to croon that if in the moment there is peace… why would I go and start dissing someone at his funeral? there is a time and place for everything, you’re an adult and you should know that.

   you think that’s all we talk about it? that’s ignorant, of you. DO your history like forrreal..not off the net,, actually find OG’s and ask them.. you’re not even a hip-hop head, you’re stereotyping and I don’t appreciate that.

   Actually that comment came from me watching Hip Hop videos on YouTube. Seemed the videos with the highest viewcounts also were the sexually-explicit and violent stuff. Didn’t conclude that’s all Hip Hop was, just the most popular YouTube-wise.

   You wrote:

   I think the message of the event was clear: get skills, make links, be productive, have fun, open your mind, strive to be aware, stay student minded and push yourself to the next level. Hip-Hop represents all of these things.. and from actually talking to people who lived in the south bronx 70’s (Chino, Trak 2 from Starschild le Rock, Fabel, AFrika Bam, DJ DXT, Frosty Freeze RIP ) they told me it’s what Hip-hop gave to them and what it has evolved into.

   I suspect that here lies part of my misunderstanding. Right now I’m researching graffiti and skateboarding. Skateboarders (at least the ones that I’ve been observing both in real life and watching on YouTube) have embraced Hip Hop. Some of the songs they post to YouTube ain’t exactly Mother’s Milk. That is the aspect of Youth culture that I’m trying to understand.

   Songs of Disrepect, Hate. Alienation. Rage.

   BTW, I’m not stupid. I know that I’ll never understand. I’m doing it this way because of a conversation I had with a street youth. These are his exact words —his message to Mississauga Council:

   “You gotta come out of your comfort zone, come from your office, come from your desks, put down your job titles…

   Please do that. Like literally. Come off that way of thinking and actually come into the streets and talk to the people that you claim to represent. You must! There’s not even an option no more!

   At least, I listened. Visiting skateparks inhabited by two dozen young males is (trust me) out of my comfort zone.

   You wrote:

   -I’m not around claiming that cultural acceptance, consciousness and COMMUNITY is what the City of Mississauga is about.
   I’m saying it’s people that make up communities and not everyone is wack. It’s not only the bureaucrats that have power. I represent my community within the city, a community of people who exist outside of the media and have gained from living their lifestyle as artists, These people are giving back to the community in the ways we know how to.

   bottom line is you can’t talk, cause you weren’t there.

   I hear you but I’m not too sure about you saying, “It’s not only the bureaucrats that have power.” I have to agree that there is great power in song. The right song can shatter dynasties. Still. You caught me on a day when Im feeling especially powerless… (I’ve just re-read the most depressing part of George Orwell’s 1984.)

   You wrote:

   -yeah I guess I’m clueless, I’ve looked for many ways to affect change and I’m using what power I have to bring people together… I guess that’s wack right? and guess I’m shilling for the city, cause I love the people in it.

   No, I was wrong. I’ve looked for ways to affect change at the City of Mississauga and (ready?) I’ve either struck out every time or actually made things worse! (True!) Because of my efforts and those of another citizen, the City of Mississauga drafted and approved a formal public complaints process and it’s so bogus it’s worse than what they had before which was none at all. Top that for a resume!

   You wrote:

   -The fact that you’re not inclusive to those who are on a street level making movements with some type of power already makes YOU PART OF THE PROBLEM my dear.

   Nah, what I hate is fake “inclusiveness”. Meaning the City of Mississauga splatters the word “inclusive” in their Strategic Plans, Corporate Policies, press releases and noises in front of TV cameras and the City of Mississauga database sports the truth. “Zero Tolerance”.

   My problem is that I didn’t think you were REAL. (If you knew the hundreds of hours I’ve been forced to witness City of Mississauga UNREAL, you’d understand why I mistook you for one of those.)

   Again, I had to delete stuff because I didn’t want it to reach certain eyeballs.

   To continue you wrote:

   war is not the answer, education, leading by example and growing power in numbers is… if this is a war then it is building allies for those with commonality that matters. I’m not your enemy but you speak to me like you want some… go ahead and write in your blog.

   Agree completely. You’re REAL.

   You wrote:

   Trying to diss my culture and using a lousey attempt to try and educate me on my own lifestyle and culture I bleed for. Gimme a break, YOU AIN’T even a head…therefore you’re the one who’s acting delusional.

   A mistake, there. I wasn’t dissing your culture. Remember, I thought you were some City-approved hack. I was dissing and crapping on the evil empire and you got in the way. Again. Sorry.

   About me writing:, “A challenge. I’ll be happy to meet you at City Hall in November. Your call. I’ll videotape us. You show me all the proof about how “no one is willing to get deep into the solutions. start with the foundation.” I’ll show you all my “get deep intos” and you show me yours” you wrote:

   -DEPENDS on the date, CHANCES ARE I’LL BE IN THE NUNAVUT DURING NOVEMBER DOING SOME REAL WORK with Blueprintforlife.ca

   OK, scratch Nunavit off my list…

   You wrote:

   If you wanna see me, then reach my sessions, or my classes. Meet with my Crew Ground illusionz, How come you don’t know my crew, we’ve been around for 10 years in sauga.

   OK. I wasn’t paying attention to anything happening in Mississauga. I was oblivious. Voted for Hazel McCallion and my incumbent Councillor not even bothering to know a single issue. Just figured everything was going well. You know how it is. That’s why I say that I’ve been Duped for Decades.

   You wrote:

   I’d love to show you some of my work. It’s through real people, too bad you missed the jam .. judging from your arguments you probably would have liked it and agreed on its authenticity

   I’m going to take you up on that. Highly motivated to see your work.

   You wrote:

   reach the Mississauga arts awards Oct 15th and you’ll see what up.

   Hate to say this. But I’m not comfortable at City of Mississauga venues. Not making excuses, just not comfortable. Plus I want to see something more on the lines of what I missed out on last week.

   You wrote:

   PEACE!

   Sorry but they won’t let me.

10. The Mississauga Muse on September 6th, 2009 1:37 am

    To Anonymous,

    You wrote:

    With all due respect, whoever you are, you clearly don’t know what hip hop REALLY is about. and your post above proves it. However, I am glad you took the time to do a bit of research…but Frost has been living Hip hop for over 10 years. So i think 10 years experiance > research.

    Actually reading Frost’s comments,  it’s obvious that you’re right. However I also think you’re really diplomatic referring to my quick surf of Wikipedia and a couple of Hip-Hop websites as “research”.

    You wrote:

    Peace. Respect.

    Lovely words. Even have beautful shapes to them.

    Aloha.

11. The Mississauga Muse on September 6th, 2009 1:46 am

    This is for the despicable creep who let me know that I know shit about Hip Hop and used language that made his comments unprintable.

    Here’s my message!

    You calling me a mother****er?!

    Now that I read what Frost told me, it’s YOU who doesn’t understand Hip Hop and your language disgraces the tenets of PEACE and RESPECT.

    I’m done.

12. Syn on September 6th, 2009 2:06 am

    thx Muse for actually listening…and not just shutting out what Frost was telling you..peace, love..word that can actually be true if you let them be

13. The Mississauga Muse on September 6th, 2009 2:42 am

    Hi there Syn,

    You bet I learned a lot from Frost. But it was because he didn’t hold back. He told me the truth and there was no BS or attempt to sugar-coat.

    And I love the way he writes.

    And he’s not scared in call someone out and get in your face. Real dialogue so I know where’s he’s coming from.

    Frost taught me more about himself than he taught me about Hip Hop and I find that even more important.

    He knows and proved it. And that means that when Frost is working with Youth, he’s not going to bullshit them.

    Isn’t that the foundation of RESPECT? Being truthful?

    And Frost was. In a powerful genuine way. Plus I recognized my own sense of pissed-off-ness in him!

    Hawaiians say “aloha” for love, acceptance and I’m good with that.

    I’m also very much into respect. When you respect someone you give that person the truth.

    “Peace” I still have a problem with because of a sign someone held up at a demonstration.

    “NO JUSTICE. NO PEACE.”

    I know that Peace is supposed to be inner. But I see far too many shadows only too eager to take peace away from us.

    Who knows.

    Maybe I’ll be lucky and Frost will comment on that.

    Can there be peace without justice? (I can’t see it…)

    Aloha to you,

14. FrostFlow on September 6th, 2009 10:31 am

    Aloha Muse.

    Thank you
    It’s my honor to know you and understand who you are as well.

    I look foward to meeting in person
    Frostflow@gmail.com

    link me anytime, you a new have friend in this game

    Frost*

15. The Mississauga Muse on September 6th, 2009 11:01 am

    Aloha Frost!

    You wrote:

    “Thank you. It’s my honor to know you and understand who you are as well.”

    I have a LOT of questions  My second biggest problem so far is I’ve asked question about treatment and programs for Youth to the wrong people and got lied to.

    The biggest problem is I don’t fit the “demographic” so I’m having problems with “access” to Youth —by which I mean that when I was a youth, I’d be horrified that some 60 year old took an interest in my “issues”.

    Remember. It was my hypocritical generation that coughed up, “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ and now we don’t trust anyone over 50!

    They’re more interested in talking to each other.

    You wrote:

    I look foward to meeting in person
    Frostflow@gmail.com

    I’m holding you to that promise! Because I figure I can learn more in one talkstory session with you than an entire month’s research on my own.

    You wrote:

    link me anytime, you a new have friend in this game

    I’ll do that although first I’m going to look at your YouTube videos.

    You know “aloha” but I want to tell you about an equally special Hawaiian word. It’s “pono” although I write “kapono”.

    The Hwawaiian “pono” means:

    1. nvs. Goodness, uprightness, morality, moral qualities, correct or proper procedure, excellence, well-being, prosperity, welfare, benefit, behalf, equity, sake, true condition or nature, duty; moral, fitting, proper, righteous, right, upright, just, virtuous, fair, beneficial, successful, in perfect order, accurate, correct, eased, relieved; should, ought, must, necessary.

    Me ka pono (respectfully)

    Ursula

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